August 17, 2005My buddy has a 05 dodge 5.9 cummins 6spd all stock and I have a 01 7.3 Ford with a 6 spd w/ an edge evolution on 80 hp. we got to messin around and I figured out those new dodges arent too shabby. I was behind him from about 25 and i could easily keep up but I really dont believe I could have passed him. Those new dodges are a lot hotter than I ever thought theyd be!
Forums : Engines-Diesel : New dodge VS 01 7.3 (751 Views)
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August 18, 2005Id rather have your 01 7.3 Ford then any Dodge any day off the week. Your buddy would be better off having a Ford instead off that Dodge. Dodge has the cummins thats about it. The rest off the truck is a joke compared to Ford. A buddy off mine had a Dodge truck for a while. The thing literally fell apart around him. He didnt know that a truck could have such terrible build quality. Hes back in a Ford an advises everybody not to buy a Dodge.. I hope your buddy is not reading this he might not be your buddy for much longer. Soory for being so candid here. Im not a Dodge fan.
August 18, 2005My friend just got a new 06 dodge dually 4x4 auto and he gets my cousin off the line (2000 f-350 2wd dually 6spd- superchips on tow) but after that the ford "sucks the paint off" its a sharp truck tho
August 18, 2005Jay12, You don't beleive? You didn't have it nailed???
August 20, 2005My brother -in-law has a 05 Dodge with the Cummins and I have the 01 7.3 with a Bully Dog, DIY intake and straight piped. He can't even stay close. I take him off the line by a long shot and keep pulling away. There is no comparison in our trucks. We both have the "crew cab" short bed 4x4's with auto's, same size tires, and mine weighs about 800 lbs heavier than his. I think it's fun to really get him going, he gets upset very easily about the several times that I've beat him.
August 20, 2005FordTuff,
Yeah, we can see how good the 7.3 is. Oh, that's right, I haven't seen one for a while. I've been too busy keeping up with all the Ford recalls. What was that last one, about 270,000, wasn't it? I don't see how Ford can keep up with all the recalls of those fine trucks when they just had to fire 2,700 employees to help them get back to making a profit. Those warranty repairs must have cost them a bundle.
I had to trade in my awesome Ford Explorer on a new Dodge. Other than the fact the Explorer wandered and rolled like a ship at sea at highway speeds, got less gas mileage than my wife's Tahoe, had to have the transmission and clutch replaced, and rode like a frieght train on a gravel road, it was a fine, fine automobile. I've been fair, though. I had a full size Ford before that, but I had to pull the engine and put in an old 460 and run it illegally without smog crap just to be able to pull one horse in a trailer. The stock 351 engine couldn't pull a one-horse trailer up a small hill without crawling. No wonder Ford has to put a supercharger on that puny Ford engine to make it fast. Gee, I wonder what would happen if you put a supercharger on a hemi, or an SRT10? Oh, that's right, I do know someone with a supercharger on an SRT10. Any Ford owners want to race him. Then there's my son's Dodge Magnum with a supercharger on it. He'd probably be willing to race a Ford, too.
Now, just to be fair, I know some Cummins owners who would be glad to have a pulling contest with your Fords. But, I suppose to be really fair I should link you up to some pull contests showing those Cummins Dodges beating up on those awesome Fords. But, I won't....... Just mean, I guess. LOL
I must agree, though, about the dependability, reliability and toughness of the Dodge. The damned things just don't last forever. My dad's 1963 Sweptline slant six only lasted him 30 years before he sold it for almost the same price he paid for it new. And my brother's piece of junk 1974 1/2 ton Power Wagon probably won't last another 31 years. It's been buried in the turf in Mexico three times, and in a slough in CA once. It's carried huge boulders, and bales of hay towering about the cab, and carried a 10 foot camper for years. We have it up on the property in MT now, but I just feel it won't last another 31 years. The darned things just wear out--kinda like the Dodge Power Wagons that helped us win WWII.
I always enjoy reading comments from people who have no darned idea what they are talking about. Please write another. I haven't had so much fun since my Ford truck broke down in the middle of the mountains on a cold night. But, that's another story.....
August 20, 2005firefighter56,
Gee, that's amazing. A 7.3 beating a 5.7 six designed to pull heavy loads at low RPMs. How fascinating. Just how do you do that? That must be why there are so many 7.3s being made today. Do you have any idea where I can buy a new one?
August 20, 2005logan400ex,
The Dodge will probably catch up with the Ford while the Ford is in the shop getting the leaks fixed, or responding to one of the many recalls.
August 20, 2005Sorry your not a Ford fan. You like Dodges thats fine most everybody on this forum likes Fords. If Dodges have been good for you thats great keep buiying them. Different strokes for different folk. My friends experience has not been so good. Im a Ford guy an thats all Ive ever had/ Thats all I will ever have. I have had a bunch off Ford trucks through the years and have never had a problem with any off them. They have not been babied either. No reason to switch brands. You like Dodge I like Ford thats cool. Thats what make s the world go around we all like different things. Sorry if I offended you in my previous post idint mean to be so harsh.
August 20, 2005FordTuff,
I was just playing around. We have a bunch of Ford guys come on the Dodge forum, so I thought I would see how it works in reverse. No offense intended. Actually, I've had several Fords. None of them worth a darn, but as a Ford owner as well as a Dodge owner I thought I'd peek into the FTW forum once in a while.
Truth is, I hate to see Ford getting trashed like this. It's really bad when they FIRE 2,700 employees rather than the preferred method of attrition. As much as I hate many things about Ford Motor Company it is an American institution, and I hate seeing Detroit becoming a ghost town while all the Jap crap grows bigger and bigger in our own country.
It's a little more understandable with Chevy. They haven't changed their models in years, and the current Chevy trucks are uglier than the Fords, IMHO. However, GM is an American institution also, and it is embarrassing to see them crawl the way they are doing to get customers.
I know this is a turnaround for Dodge. Although much of it has been the government's fault with their rules and regulations, Dodge also had some bad years in the 1980s, as well as horrible management. The tables have turned,and now Ford is having trouble, especially with the 6.0 they released too early when the govt. cracked down on the 7.3 that IH lied about smog emmissions on. Somebody better get their act together or even Dodge is going to go downhill like Ford and GM. They fired, I think, the Mercedes president because the Mercedes, of all things, is hurting DC, while Dodge, Chrysler, and Jeep are doing well. At least one "American" company (well, half American, half German) is doing well.
Truth is, I hope Ford gets the 7.3 legal. The Cummins diesel is only working at a fraction of its capability in the Dodge. The Cummins can power at least a medium truck, but it is detuned in the Dodge because of the U.S. govt. Maybe Cummins will find a way to let all the ponies loose in order to counter the 7.3 Ford, and the new Duramax that is supposed to have 650 lbs torque.
August 20, 2005Towing heavy loads, you mean like a tri-axle trailer loaded with a dozer or backhoe or track hoe, or bobcat totaling a weight of up to 24,000 lbs, or my toys like my 32ft travel trailer that weighs about 12,000lbs. Well I guess I can say that I tow heavy loads with my PSD a few times per week. Now on to the dodges. My father-in-law makes them!! He works at the Kokomo plant here in IN. I've had 10, see that 10, Dodges or Chrysler vehicles. See what I'm driving now, I got tired of the crap that dodge builds!!! You know it was kinda hard to cough up the extra money for the Ford since I get the Chrysler Greenslip(employee discount) from my wife's dad, but this is the best truck that I have ever had. Dodge, even the new ones, don't have anywhere near the interior room that Ford does. I have a crew cab. I have two boys that are in carseats and they wouldn't fit in the Dodge comfortably. My Ford on the other hand, will seat SIX MEN comfortably. Not tiny little women, Men, therefore the carseats fit great with enough room between them for a MAN to sit between them. The new dodge that my brother-in-law has will not keep up with me pulling similar loads. We both had tandem axle trailers with jeep wranglers loaded on them to go play. He could not keep up in the hills, not even close. He does have the new Cummins, with an auto, mine has the old PSD with an auto. It's funny to see all the dodge guys on here to see how REAL TRUCKS run so they can see how they wasted their money on Dodge. It's also funny to see how all these guys come on here to say that they know somthing about trucks, but have no real experience in what they are talking about. If you're ever out my way let me know, I'd be happy to feed my truck another Dodge, all the ones around here know better already!!
August 20, 2005firefighter56,
How much would you want to bet that I've owned Dodges and Fords even longer than your father has worked for Dodge. Your starting to get out of your league when you start taking shots at people when you know nothing about them.
First, the Dodge ISN'T a crew cab. It is an extended cab, and it is a smaller truck. The Toyota Tacoma has less room than the Dodge or Ford because it is smaller. So what? The Ford is a land barge. The Superduty is way too big for anyone except those who want to say "mine is bigger than yours". I would never want that pig in my driveway. Secondly, your full of bovine scat when you say the kids can't sit in the Dodge comfortably. That's just a plain lie. I just drove all over Montana with both kids and medium-sized adults in the back seat, and I just came from Las Vegas over 300 miles with an adult in the back. My son-in-law is 6 ft 6in. He can even pull the driver's seat up when he drives; there is that much leg room. The passenger side can pull the seat up even farther than the driver, and there is enough legroom in the back for most people.
I'm really impressed with the Ford and all the recalls, and all the 6.0 engine replacements. You should be proud---of course, no one else is. Not too long ago a boy being taken to a hospital died in a new Ford diesel piece of crap when the Fraud died and the boy couldn't get to a hospital. Just what failing Ford needs; another lawsuit, as if they don't have enough.
I was just playing around when I was chatting with the other guy, but your cheap shots are not worth continuing the "discussion". You are trying to defend a dying company that needs immediate resuscitation.
If you are trying to say the Powerjoke can pull with a Dodge, let me know and I'll connect you with some Cummins sled pullers that will take you apart. NO Ford can pull with a Cummins, even if they are equally modded. This is proven at many sled pulls across the country quite often. Just let me know if you want to argue it. I dont' sled pull, but I'll put you in contact with those that will, once they get through laughing themselves sick. The Ford can pull light loads a tiny bit faster than a Dodge because the Dodge is a real working diesel, and the Ford works at higher RPMs, and gets less fuel mileage, according to many posts on FTW. The Dodge works at lower RPMs, which is why anyone can tell you they will outlast a Powerchoke. The Dodge is not designed to be a hot rod, but I know a bunch of Dodge owners who will gladly race you for pink slips.
If you have had bad luck with Dodges and good luck with a Ford, although you really don't know yet, that is the reverse of my experience since my first 1957 Ford. Can you or your dad beat 1957 for experience with Fords? All American trucks had a bad time in the 1980s. Dodge had some quality control problems, thanks to people like your dad. Ford had power problems. I owned Ford trucks in the 1980s. They were so gutless I had to pull the engine and install an illegally unsmogged 460 just so I could pull a one-horse trailer up a small hill. They were also UGLY, and, of course, they still are, with the exception of the front end of the Superduty that copied the dropped fender look of the Dodge, although they are modifying it a little more each year.
This has gotten to be a little too argumentative. Unless you want me to put you in touch with some guys with Dodges with real power, I'll let this drop. It's no fun anymore. Anyone who has the unitigated gall to defend a company that sells that 6.0 crap, and is in so much trouble they have to fire people to try and stay afloat does not deserve much respect as to their opinions. If you have a navigatgion system you might want to program it for directions to the nearest dealer or repair shop; you are going to need it.
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